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Islam killing Apostates? What about West?

Last updated: 22.04.2022

Muslim Response to the killing of Apostates

 

By: Mustafa Sahin

Watch a short clip:

In the above video, you can see that an Apostasy is a form of treason, that applies only in an Islamic state, where you give a pledge and allegiance (Bayah) to an Islamic leader like a Khalif. And of course, with that, you accept the Islamic leadership, and as a Muslim, you betray the Khalif, which means you are simultaneously betraying Islam. And then you openly work against the leader and Islam. That is only when the punishment of Apostasy occurs.

 

Many Critics of Islam like to always bring this point against Islam but watch and see how their arguments once explained are very premature. As you are well aware committing Treason (a form of Apostacy) in the Secular West can get you imprisoned for life or even in some circumstances killed. Equally therefore Islam is not just a religion but rather a political system that applies a similar standard to protect its integrity guiding people to the right path and eliminating any threat to the safety and security it promises for those who believe in the hereafter. Therefore any traitor that conspires by leaving and working for another company and hindering people away from Islam will mean that they are misguiding people which will result in people being misled to hell. What is worse than killing apostates calling people to hell or an Apostate being responsible for you being in hell for eternity?

For this reason, only apostates who are vocal and who are promoting their apostasy by inviting others to hell why there is a great consequence. Islam tries to remove any threat that may result in people going to hell for eternity. Im certain that, if a criminal terrorist group tried to promote terrorism and invites people to join his cause the government will do everything in their hands to execute that national threat because at the end of the day that terrorist objective is to harm himself and those who join his cause.
Therefore it is also incumbent on Islam to eliminate any ExMuslim promoter of eternal damnation. As you are aware apostates have more of an influence to mislead since they often make the claim they understand the religion more than anyone else to hinder people away from Islam. For why a strict standard is set upon them. Then again if you are an apostate who would like to leave in secret or without blowing trumpets then by all means there were cases of that happening where those apostates were not killed and the proof is here from Muslim Sources: http://abuaminaelias.com/did-the-prophet-kill-apostates-who-convert-to-another-religion/

Therefore as secular western systems take measures to protect their national security, Islam equally takes measures to protect peoples’ salvation from being interfered with and hindered by Conspirators.

See this video where I expand on this point:

 

 

Why does Shariah Law ban Ex Muslims?

A common arguement is made by Westerners, that Islam impinges on the human rights of ExMuslims. It shuts down their freedom to criticise Islam. It closes down their social network platforms. This oppression can not go on, as they so often argue.

But let me explain to you now the double standard of this narrative. Why does the west close down and revoke the licenses of Anti-Vax medical doctors, see:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/doctors-healthcare-workers-to-be-punished-for-anti-vax-covid-claims-20210310-p579dk.html

Now a Westerner would argue, that this is a good thing the government is doing. It is shutting down doctors who spread misinformation about Covid-19. And if the Government allowed these Doctors to spread misinformation this can hinder people from getting vaccinated which can endanger all of our lives against this deadly virus.

Now according to the same logic, I can then argue, it is also a good thing that shariah governments close down the social media accounts of ExMuslims for spreading misinformation about Islam, which hinders people away from Islam, as a result, people end up going to Hell because of the distorted misinformation spread to keep people away from Islam which in reality is their (cure) to salvation. And because Islam cares about people’s salvation it stops these ex-Muslims from trying to mislead people into an afterlife of destruction.

 

Let’s continue…..

 

Secularism punishes Apostates similar to Shariah punishing Apostates.

They say: Shariah Law punishes a person if they leave Islam and go and accept Christianity for example.

Let’s read this law under the Secular Democratic constitution of Australia, which teaches something similar.

Quote:

Section 44 of the Constitution sets out restrictions on who can be a candidate for Federal parliament. In full it reads:

44. Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power: or

(ii.) Is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer: or

(iii.) Is an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent: or

(iv.) Holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth: or

(v.) Has any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty-five persons:

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

End Quote.

From the above Law, if a person works for the Australian government and notices this part;

Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power,

In other words, if they work for the Australian government but wander off and become obedient to another foreign power.

He or she gets punished with the following;

(ii.) Is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer: or

So they get put in prison as a punishment for being obedient to another country.

Now let’s just think about all of the above and, compare that to Islam and Shariah, will just swap around the words;

Section 44 of the Islamic Constitution sets out restrictions on who can be a Muslim by living under a Shariah state. In full it reads:

44. Any Muslim who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a different religion.

(ii.) Is attainted of Treason (Apostasy), or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of Shariah by being killed.

In conclusion;

If you live under a secular democratic Australian country and you work for them, you worship (Believe) in their laws, but have a change of mind and go work for another foreign country and worship (Believe) in different laws, or follow other foreign country laws, you get punished!

Shariah law:

If you live under a Shariah country and you work for them, you worship their laws, but have a change of mind and go work for another Christian faith and worship different laws, you get punished!

The only difference is the type of punishment.

In secularism, you get put in prison sometimes even life, While under Shariah you may get killed.

So please tell us, folks, again?

Where are these Secular atheists and Christians who say Islam or Shariah Law, punish those who leave their faith when in fact you can be punished in a secular democracy for secretly leaving your attachment to your government and working for another country?

 

Now for the Rebuttal section:

A Critic wrote:

So, the Australian constitution doesn’t let dual nationals sit in Parliament. So what? (You have comprehensively misunderstood it, by the way.)

My Response:

Nor does it allow, for you to go work for another foreign country in their government while still working for your government if you do, you are charged with a criminal offence for adherence to another foreign power.

In other words, if you work for the Australian government and become an ex-Australian by secretly wandering off and working for another foreign Government you get punished. Thus the Australian constitution does not tolerate Ex-Governmental Offical Apostates.

Critic wrote:

So not being able to represent your country on grounds of loyalty is the same as being killed for leaving Islam? I’d call those mental gymnastics but I doubt that fits your abilities.

My Response:

It’s the same, loyalty to Islam is the same as loyalty to the country. Islam is not just a way of life it is also a political system. Thus just like the West punishes a person for abandoning loyalty to Government so does Islam punish those who abandon the government of the Islamic God.

Critic wrote:

meh, still beats getting your head chopped off.

Muslim Response:

The point is you are still being punished for being an Ex-Muslim or an Ex-Governmental official. Imagine if Muslims started putting all Ex-Muslims in jail for 5 years to life imprisonment. You would still say that’s unfair even though your laws also put people in prison for treason. So either way, the point im making both systems punish people who are Ex-Member of something. Besides also that the correct interpretation of Islam doesn’t simply cut the head of an apostate or Ex-Muslim.

Here is the evidence:
That a Man leaving Islam was not “Killed” read;

Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn Abi Sarh would write to the Messenger of Allah but the devil deceived him and he joined the unbelievers. The Messenger of Allah ordered that he should be killed on the day of liberation, but Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him, so the Messenger of Allah granted him protection. Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4358, Grade: Sahih

So what is understood is when the person commits apostasy COMBINED with advocating violence is when you get killed as a number one priority read:

“…A man who left Islam AND waged war against Allah… and His Messenger… should be killed, or crucified, or banished from the land…”
REFERENCE: SUNAN AN-NASAI, HADITH NUMBER: 4053 – GRADED: SAHIH

So all of those hadith and verses the critics present say “Muhammed ordered to kill apostates, they were specific apostates who advocated WAR or who were very vocal about them leaving Islam to cause civil unrest and doubt among Muslims. When we read all the References not just cherry-pick one hadith.

And even if the critic still doesn’t wish to accept this correct interpretation. Well, we already proved the Secularists too also believe in punishment it’s just a different type of punishment. And don’t forget the West used to kill them too, but they instead had many prison facilities to keep them isolated in our modern times.

Notice what this hadith says again I quoted above…

or banished from the land…”
REFERENCE: SUNAN AN-NASAI, HADITH NUMBER: 4053 – GRADED: SAHIH

In other words, if the Muslims had a prison system they could banish them meaning (I.e) keep them isolated from the rest of the community by putting them in Prisons like the West does, so according to hadith, it doesn’t mean the only option is to kill them. It all depends if you can cater for the criminals in our prison facility if not that’s when the killings occurred as the only option. That’s why even the West back in history would resort to tougher penalties because prisons facilities and resources weren’t as great.

Critic wrote:

Several hadiths tell the four schools of jurists to testify to it. And renowned scholars.

Muslim Response:

We showed the West believes in punishing government apostates, and we have shown Jesus doing the same in the O.T and the N.T.

 

As for the Quran, we have also shown that killing Apostates was better understood when the apostasy is followed by advocating war. (Note: advocating war can also include when an ExMuslim starts to misrepresent the violent verses in the Quran, to cause civil unrest between the Muslim community and non-Muslim communities which results in Non-Muslim communities wanting to fight against Muslims because Ex Muslims have caused division by taking verses out of context to make Muslims like their bloodthirsty savages. Causing this hatred it’s the same as advocating and causing war.

 

But if they don’t do this, we backed it up with the Hadith of the Prophet did allow an apostate to live. So there is high treason and low treason, meaning not all apostates are put to death, there are special exceptions granted as the one I provided earlier, some apostates may be ignorant of Islam and thus not be put to death, others might be less vocal, thus there lives spared, while other opinions say when the apostate is combined with advocating violence is when they are killed.

As for quoting the different schools of thought, that still is an opinion and in addition the Hadith. The Prophet’s word comes before any school of thought including any university. The Prophet’s testimony overrides all other opinions

I can show you the Christian Fatwah website that says ” The Bible doesn’t condemn slavery or outlaw it they quote:

The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1)but does not outlaw slavery altogether.

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

Maybe now we can apply this opinion as an authority?

Critic wrote:

Would kill an apostate if you were asked to?

Muslim Response:

Only if his apostasy had to do with advocating violence or if his vocal about misquoting Islam to hinder people to hell. And it wouldn’t be up to me to kill him. It’s those in governmental services.

May I ask you a similar question?
if you worked for the police force would you arrest an Ex-Government official found secretly working for a foreign government, would you arrest him and put him in jail?

Critic wrote:

We don’t assassinate for resigning from the government because they no longer believe it is what it is doing.

Muslim Response:

I never said you kill them. Well, use used to do that in the past. The point is used still punish ex-governmental officials

Critic wrote:

Can I just clarify what you just said? You said that you would kill an ex Muslim if asked to? That is what Islam advocates and you are saying that you would be willing to do it.

Muslim Response:

Islam the way I understand kills Apostates if the apostate advocates violence such as calling people to misguidance which sends people to hell. In the same way, Westerners may kill ex-governmental officials who advocate violence. Not just working with another foreign power.

I understand if they only work with foreign power they get jail time. However, if they have advocated violence then our western court systems would drone strike and try and kill them. That’s our understanding as well in Islam.

Critic wrote:

If a government official leaves the government and then criticises agendas so remove them from power, we don’t give them jail time or hill them. We call that democracy.

Muslim Response:

We are talking about government officials who work leave to go work for a separate foreign power. Not working for a separate party under the same government body

Critic wrote:

Certainly though, if someone advocates violence in the UK, they could be charged and if convicted, go to jail. And, if you came to this country and said you would be willing to apostates, that is exactly what would happen to YOU.

Muslim Response:

If you go to NTH Korea to kill an Ex-American official as an Ex-Government apostate. I’m sure too the NTH Koreans will arrest you and kill you.

Discussion Complete.

 

See also, Our Response to the Question? Ex -Muslims say, why do you want to execute Us, for speaking against Islam. Islam killing critics does that mean, it shows itself to be a weak religion? 

Muslim -Response:

It is because, most ex-Muslims active on social media, claim they know Islam and therefore present themselves like some God-given “Angelic figure” and authority as an ambassador for Islam, therefore more easily fooling ignorant masses into believing in their narrative lies about Islam.

That is why you will find ExMuslim always write everywhere on their status his an ExMuslim to fool people so they can be noticed more.

See an ExMuslim can never preach lies about Islam, by concealing his ExMuslim identity, He will always most certainly proclaim to everyone his preaching too, and how He was a previous ExMuslim, Why? Because He knows as soon as He does so, He is given a magical wand of Authority and even made a celebrity.

Furthermore, the Secularists or Western nations themselves even to this very day execute or imprison those who promote the act of “Terrorism” or have an allegiance to ISIS, or for promoting this Terror Group, they do this because it endangers people’s lives as they rightfully argue, if this is justified under secular liberalism? Then Islam can equally execute vocal ExMuslims who lead people to EVERLASTING Hellfire.

I can assure you if you tasted one minute of Hellfire, let alone one day, you would wish every vocal ex-Muslim who was responsible for leading people to everlasting Hellfire, you would want them to be punished or executed immediately there would be no (IF’s) or (Buts’) about it.

Even these Secularists, believe in censorship of other forms to protect society from danger. For example, Sky News was banned and censored for 1 week, for spreading misinformation about Covid-19.

Read: 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation

This begs the question. If it’s okay, for secularists to ban and censor sky news for putting people’s lives in danger, why is it then an issue if Islam censors those who ExMuslims for spreading misinformation about Islam, which results in endangering people to get misguided thus endangering their lives by being a means for people entering hellfire?

Now an ExMuslim may argue his only preaching against Islam peacefully and respectfully? Therefore his criticism does not wish to harm anyone, or advocate violence? This is false as I proved earlier with afterlife endangerment but we can take it a step further, most vocal ExMuslims will preach that the Quran wishes to kill you, by quoting violent verses out of context and about Muslims wanting to kill every non-Muslim in existence, therefore they technically advocate War with Muslims by spreading false propaganda and hatred. This type of hateful activism creates fear and disunity in the community that gives uprise to “Right Wing” activism and Violence. So dont be fooled when they tell you, we are trying to preach in peace, rather they are actively hindering people to become violent with Islam since Islam according to them wishes everyone dead by their deliberately misinterpreted version of Islam.

Here is a hadith that explains this:

“…A man who left Islam AND waged war against Allah… and His Messenger… should be killed, or crucified, or banished from the land…”
REFERENCE: SUNAN AN-NASAI, HADITH NUMBER: 4053 – GRADED: SAHIH

Left Islam and waged WAR, is the keyword here. ExMuslims do wage WAR by actively promoting Islam and Muslims wish to kill everyone therefore “We must warn everyone” this may mean to take arms and fight back.

In saying this If you are an ExMuslim who minds his own business and is not vocal about his ExMuslim status then Islam has given leniency, and he’s not to be punished there are hadeeth to support this.

Here is proof: That a Man leaving Islam was not “Killed” read;

Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn Abi Sarh would write to the Messenger of Allah but the devil deceived him and he joined the unbelievers. The Messenger of Allah ordered that he should be killed on the day of liberation, but Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him, so the Messenger of Allah granted him protection. Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4358, Grade: Sahih

Apostasy laws in Islam are similar to Britain’s Treason Act 1351
..Compassing the Death of the King, Queen, or their eldest Son; violating the Queen, or the King’s eldest daughter unmarried, or his eldest Son’s Wife; levying War; adhering to the King’s Enemies; killing the Chancellor, Treasurer, or Judges in Execution of their Duty.… REFERENCE: TREASON ACT 1351.

Apostasy is understood as a form of treachery against the state. Apostasy according to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a punishable crime if the accused was found guilty of treachery against the state. In this context, Snowden is an apostate (i.e.) traitor.

In conclusion; Islam is not against all types of freedom of expression or freedom to critique Islam as the ExMuslim would have believed if it was then Islam would have also ordered the killing of not just vocal ExMuslims but also Non-Muslims who were never ExMuslim. But we know that this is not the case and there is a deeper understanding of this as presented in this article, for instance; Islam doesn’t say kill ALL people who speak against it. ExMuslims are an exception due to the reasons given.

You could be a Christian Apologist like David Wood, who claims to have studied the Quran and Hadith for 20 years and can criticise the Quran and hadith his whole life, and yet his life is not in danger. He was allowed to Debate Muslims. If Islam was weak, it would suggest the killing of Christians or Atheists who were always atheists or Christians, that right there proves, Islam can tolerate criticism and it doesn’t necessarily kill All those who criticise Islam.

In addition, a Muslim is not to go out and start killing random vocal exmuslims he sees in the street as some ExMuslims would have you believe, this is far from the truth. The killing of Apostates has to go before a judicial court process determined by the Qadi (Judge), and a Shariah court tribunal and handled by Authorities. Islam does not permit under any circumstance that an individual takes the matter into his own hands and you go out stabbing people in the street this type of violence is against Islam and condemned by Islam. This is only determined by a sovereign shariah country or constitution similar to say the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia which has aspects of Shariah law.

In conclusion:

Every individual case of an Apostate is dealt with differently depending on the person’s faith level, depending on is that person working with unbelievers to harm the Muslims, by claiming they are an Authority to misrepresent Islam, thus creating hatred, and war against Muslims, or is He, someone that just minds his businesses and does not wish to preach to others and leaves in secrecy, then He can not be judged, and trialled, therefore, these types of Apostates are left alone, but if your vocal and call people to misguidance it is only those who are dealt with under Apostacy treason laws, this is done to protect people from getting misguided by these people and ending up in Hell. Islam is there to protect people against getting misguided because it cares about your health and well being in the afterlife.

So do Apostates get killed? The answer can be “yes” and “no”, depending on the circumstances.

Category of ones that could get killed:

A) Openly promoting their Ex-Muslimness, after they have betrayed the Khalif and committed treason. Advocating and claiming they understand Islam, to mislead others. Leaving Islam, to work with the Unbelievers, to wage war on Muslims.

Category of one that could NOT get killed

 

A) Was never really a Muslim to begin with, just Muslim by name. Had no knowledge or understanding of Islam. Therefore wasn’t aware of the truth of Islam, basically an ignorant person.

B) You leave Islam in secrecy, and you are not vocal at all, and you keep to yourself.

And Allah knows Best.

 

May I also conclude by expressing another hypocrisy:

EXmuslim will say: “I believe in Diplomacy and Human Rights, I believe in Democracy. This is what the We believe in. I’m glad I left Islam”.

(Same)

Though the same ExMuslim will be: Sadned because Recep Tayyip erdoğan survived the Coup’s attempt on his life back in 2016.

#Diplomacy 😂👍

 

ExMuslims will complain about “Apostasy Laws”, while they support the forceful overthrow and killing of Leaders who are inclined towards Islam. And who are anti-Western or Anti-Liberal and Secular

 

Also read, Refuting arguments the claim that the Prophet Muhammed killed critics who were pagans: https://thedebateinitiative.com/2014/11/16/did-the-prophet-muhammad-pbuh-kill-his-critics/

Refuting the argument. “There is no compulsion to accept Islam – Islam Question & Answer” https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/34770

 

For further responses please also visit Dr Jonathan Brown’s work here: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/en/jonathan-brown/apostasy/

 

Also read Jesus condoning the Killing/Torturing of Apostates: https://mustafasahin33.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/jesus-of-the-bible-will-torture-ex-christian-apostates/

 

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