Last updated: 27th Sep 2021
By: Mustafa Sahin
In these remarkable examples, we demonstrate how the Gospels writers forced Christology and theology into the Bible. See how the later Gospel writers tried to Improve the earlier Gospels to turn Jesus into divine God. There are also examples of improvements made on the Salvation, and Crucifixion narrative, which is the central tenants of the Faith.
These are the believed first dates of the Gospels:
■ Gospel of Mark. 65-70 A.D
Christian Scholars believe Mark wrote first.
■ Gospel of Mathew & Luke 71- 89 A.D
Then they believe Mathew and Luke sit somewhere in between.
■ Gospel of John: 90-100 A.D
Followed by John being the last of the four Gospels
1 – What do the 4 Gospels say about Jesus being killed on the Cross by the Spear.
Mark: No Mention
Luke: No Mention
Math: No Mention
John: 19:34 (Yes)
Note: You can’t simply die from being Crucified for few hours on a Cross. The last Gospel wanted to ensure that Jesus was confidently killed. So that no one suspects, Jesus survived a Crucifixion, because Christians wanting to make salvation part of the central doctrine.
2 – Jesus called: “Rabbi” (Improved ) to being called “Lord”.
Mark: 9:5: Jesus called Rabbi
Mathew 17:4 Jesus called Lord
Note: Christians will often say, one reason why Jesus is God, is because His known as being “Lord”. So we can see Mathew enforcing the term Lord instead of Rabbi.
3 – Jesus from being named Master improved (elevated) to being called (Lord) will come.
Mark 13:35 master will come.
Mathew 24:32 Lord will come
4 – Jesus called Messiah improved (Elevated) to Son
Mark: 8:29 Jesus called Messiah
Math: 16:16 Jesus called: Son of living God
Note: All through Jesus is called Son of God in other passages in Marks Gospel, Mathew does not like to use (Messiah) narrating the same Story from Mark 8v29.
5 – Everyone God improved to My Father?
Mark 3:31 Whoever does the will of God
Mathew 12:46 does the will of my Father
Note: Mathew seems to, want to make the father more personal for Jesus. Whoever does the will of God, seems to isolate Jesus. And it seems Mathew didn’t like that.
6 – Teacher improved to Lord
Mark 4:38 Jesus called Teacher
Mathew 8:25 Jesus called Lord
Note: Why is the Gospel writer in Mathews so bothered with the term “teacher’, was Jesus not a man and not just God according to the Trinitarians? If Jesus was human, why not leave it as a teacher, why force the term Lord into the text? this indicates, that the scribe is pushing a Jesus as being Godly agenda, and is not satisfied that Jesus human attribute as a Teacher is mentioned. Now a Christian may say, a teacher can also, be defined as an attribute of God. Though, then I would ask, then why did not Mathew leave the term Teacher, if it was the same as calling someone Lord?
7 – Jesus taught the Greatest commandment is to say God is One Lord.
Mark 12:29 Greatest to say” our Lord God is ONE
Mathew 22:37-38 Jesus taught to love God.
Note: The “ONES” of God replaced Loving God. Today many Christians especially Trinitarians don’t like to talk about God as being One, but rather Taurine. And they talk about God as being love. Well, this is due to Mathew, who was manipulating the message, by trying to slowly remove the notion that it was great to say God is “One”. Let’s rather just talk about how God is about love here. Interesting hey?
8 – Jesus said: “Why do you call me Good?
Mark 10:18 Jesus say’s “why call Me Good”?
Why call Me Good (Removed) from New International Version)
Note: This is proof Later Scribes tried removing the imperfections of Jesus. They wanted Jesus to look more perfect and thus more devine. Though, the King James Bible still has it written as; Why call me good” the New International Version, has removed, Why call me Good, and instead reads, “what is good”, because Bible scholars say the NIV uses earlier dated manuscripts. This proves Scribes can not be trusted as they are constantly trying to add or remove things they don’t feel comfortable with. And at times, get caught out.
9 – Improvements to cover up the Human limitations of Jesus. Why couldn’t Jesus Find figs on the Tree?
Marks 11:12-14: Because it wasn’t the season for figs.
it wasn’t the season for figs (removed)
Yet again, the scribe who wrote Mathews Gospel seems to get annoyed that Jesus shows human attributes of limitations in Marks Gospel, so He removes the part of the verse, where it displays Jesus having ignorance, on why figs are not growing. It seems the scribe for Mathew, is slowly trying to render out the limited human attributes of Jesus. Interesting though that the Christians want to promote that Gods nature has two natures, one being divine, the other being human, yet the scribe is trying to remove out the poor human qualities out of His God. interesting?
10 – “Trinity”, verse.
Mark: No mention
Luke: No mention
Mathew: 28:19: Trinity Vaguely Mentioned.
John: 1:5-7: Trinity. Mentioned.
Note: So the wording of (John 1 John 5:7) has been changed in the (New International Version) from Spirit and Son, found in the KJV Version. It’s been changed back to; Water and Blood. This further illustrates, a scribe was playing with the ancient manuscripts and changing the words. This is one of the clearest points, that Christian scribes were forcing Christology into the Text. The earliest ancient manuscripts do not have the 1 John 5:7 passage, it was added later. See here even a Christian Scholar admitting that the “Trinity verse” was a later addition not found in the earliest source Material. See video:
11 – Jesus word (begotten) Son
Mark: No mention
Mathew: No Mention
Luke: No Mention
John: Yes. John 3:16
Note: Biblical Scholars say the term begotten in (John 3:16) is an “Interpolation”.
The word “begotten” has been removed from some of the Gospels by the same bible scholars as fabrication after they realized that this word does not exist in the most ancient manuscript. So notice how a Scribe was trying to add words in the Manuscripts to try and make it look as though Jesus had a special unique connection to God. See the NIV, NLT, ESV Biblical Versions for John 3:16. Word Beggoten Removed.
12 – When was Jesus declared Son of God.
Mark: Baptism or Birth
Mathew: Baptism or Birth
Luke: Baptism or Birth
John: From the Time Universe was Created(John 1:14)
Note: The Gospel of John is not satisfied Jesus is declared Son of God on earth. So it starts to exaggerate and claim Jesus was always Gods Son, and both God and Son had a Unique relationship even before Jesus was born on Earth. Even so that their heavenly relationship was there even before God made the Universe.
13 – Jesus Miracles powers improved
Mark 8:22-24, Jesus takes some time to heal ONE man’s Eye, he had to spit.
Mathew 20:30-34 (No spitting required)
Note: Jesus heals the Eye of TWO people with one touch immediately. No spitting is required. Seems Mathew was trying to enforce more power on Jesus.
14 – Willing for Cruicifiction improved
Lukes 22:42: Jesus prays to father to Remove cup (i.e) Crucifixion.
John 6:38 Jesus confidentially comes out to do the will of Father.
15 – Who witnessed Ressurection Story.
Marks Gospel (No mention) in Earliest Manuscripts. 9-20 Emitted.
16 – When was All Authority given to Jesus.
Mark: No mention
Mathew 28:18: Yes.
17 – Was Jesus Sinless?
Mark: No Mention
Luke: No Mention
Mathew: No mention
John: 1 JOHN 3-5: Yes.
18 – Jesus: forgiving Sin like God, improved.
Mark: Story missing
Luke: Story missing
Mathew:15:4 Jesus affirms the death penalty.
John: 8-11 Jesus removes Death Penalty.
19 – Jesus called (God) explicitly.
Mark: No Mention
Luke: No Mention
Mathew: 1:23 Yes mentioned
John: 20:28 Yes Mentioned.
20 – Disciples are told to Prayer in Jesus name.
Mark: No Mention.
John: 16:27-28 Yes.
21 – Jesus is the only way through to the Father.
Mark: no mention
Luke: no mention
Mathew: no mention
John: Yes 14:6
22 – Jesus improved in Knowledge.
Mark: (13:32) Jesus as SON, not all-Knowing.
Mathew:(24:35-36) Jesus is not all-knowing.
Luke:(2:52) Improvements made.
John: 21:17 Jesus is ALL-knowing
23 – Improvement in Salvation:
Matthew 19:17 ” keeping (commandments) gave you salvation.
John 6:40 ” Believing in SON gives you everlasting salvation.
Note: you can see the shift of what was most important for salvation was to keep Yahway commandments that shifted to Accept Jesus as the SON. Clear Sonship theology being forced in.
24 – Jesus improvements made having control over his own Life and Death.
Luke: 22:42″ Jesus requests his father to remove ” Death” i.e the Cup”. In other words, Jesus shows he has no control over his own life and death.
John: 10:17″ Jesus has suddenly got control over his own life and death and has powers to lay down his own life.
25 – Jesus being preached as having Eternal pre: Existence.
Mark: No pre-Existence mentioned
Luke: No pre-existence mentioned
Mathew: No pre-existence mentioned
John: Yes Did have pre-existence. John 1:1 and Before Abraham was ” I AM.
Note: New Testament Scholar of the Bible, Bart Erhman tells us about it here;
26 – Jesus said put down your Swords. Whoever lives by Sword dies by the Sword. (Improvements made to show Jesus was peaceful)
Mark: no mention
Mathew: (Yes) Mathew 26:52
Note: Let’s compare Marks account with Mathew. Marks version of the events omits the verse about putting down the swords, instead rebukes the Romans in (Mark 14:48) Let’s take a close look;
Then one of those standing near drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. (Mark 14:47)
“Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? (Mark 14:48)
Now let’s look at Mathew:
With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. Matthew 26:51
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Matthew 26:52
So as you can see, unlike Marks Gospel, Mathews Gospels try to portray Jesus being more peaceful. Mathews adds the verses put down swords, and yet the earliest gospel Marks mentions nothing as such. This demonstrates Mathew gospel was trying to improve Jesus status to show He was more peaceful rather than an aggressor.
Christian missionaries claim that the earliest Bibles still prove Jesus divinity for example in Mark 2-1-12 Jesus had the power to forgive sin.
However, what we read in Mathew 6:14, the Disciples of Jesus also had the power to forgive other peoples Sins. Therefore teaching that forgiving Sin doesn’t prove your God. In addition. We are not suggesting that there may not be signs of slight divinity towards Jesus in the Earliest Gospel. What we are showing is the Snow Ball effect that most of the verses on strong divinity come later in the Gospels than to the ones Prior. Proving that Theology was being improved over time.
Go to any Christian missionary ask him for evidence from the 4 Gospels to prove that Jesus is God. Watch how 95% of the time he will Quote from the last Gospel of John.
Here is another example:
A Christian references verses to Prove that Jesus is God. He uses:
12 verses from the Gospel of John.
1 verse from the Gospel of Mathew
0 verses from the Gospel of Luke & Mark
Another example: Christians use the latter parts of the four Gospels. Matt Slick a Christian Apologist does not even Quote the Gospel of Mark or even the Gospel of Luke to prove Jesus is divine in this particular article. He uses (Mathew) and (John) see;
Matt Slick uses:
8 verses from the Gospel of john
5 verses from the Gospel of Mathew
0 verses from Gospel of Luke & Mark
Here is yet another, Christian Apologist named Simon Turpin from AnsweringGenises puts up his Top 10 “Proof for Jesus being God” though it was a bit difficult to count here is the approximate lists:
22 verses from the Gospel of John.
8 verses from the Gospel of Mathew
1 verse from Gospel of Luke
2 verses from the Gospel of Mark
So as you can witness yourself, the trend is pretty much the same, very rarely will they Quote from Gospel of luke, and extremely rarely from Marks Gospel. Is this not enough evidence to prove the point of a Christology being evolved? The interesting thing is, a Christian will only prove Jesus is God from the Gospel of Mark with multiple verses, only when you really “press him” otherwise it’s the last resort a Christian will go to, to prove Jesus is God in the earlier gospels, this in itself proves yet again our point, that there are no real convincing verses in earlier gospels especially the Gospel according to Mark if there can assure you Christians would be referring to them as the first resort, not the last resort, and in big frequent numbers as we see for the Gospel of John and Mathew.
Even Bible Scholar Professor Bart Ehrman agrees with this that Jesus early disciples didn’t think He was God. Rather this evolved later on. Watch at:
From (3minutes) https://youtu.be/Yte-ad6Y31s
Fact: according to Christian Theology of testing Authenticity. Closer to the Source more Authentic. Later is least Authentic.
That is why Christians often make the arguement why should anyone accept the Quran since it came 600 years later? And Christians say, the way Christians prove accuracy is by referring to the earliest writings, yet Christians by that standard should only accept Marks Gospel, but they don’t, they accept later writings.
If doubting our article, try this experiment when talking with Christians. Ask them to give you the “TOP 10 Bible verses to proves that Jesus is God”. When you see that not a single reference is made from Marks Gospel, then you shall come to know the truth of our arguement, no real test it for yourself.
Just to give you more evidence of how Scribes deliberately (remove words) change the text to “hide” verses where it proves Jesus is not God, take an example at this.
The Bible tells us, that Jesus as the Son (the second Godhead of the trinity), has “NO” knowledge when the “Hour” is, let’s read:
New International Version
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mathew 24:36)
As you can see the NIV says: nor the son.
However when we read the King James Version & New King James Version:
King James Bible
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Mathew 24:36)
New King James Version
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Nor the Son, has been “Removed” from the passage, why?
TodayBiblical Scholars tell us, the (New International Version) bible, is more accurate because it uses much earlier ancient manuscripts, compared to the Manuscripts used for the King James Version.
So what we can now see is that this trend of manipulating the Bible, changing words, and removing words, to force a theology was like a part of the culture among scribes. One needs to now ask the question if this much dishonesty was present in later manuscripts, imagine how much dishonesty there were in earlier scribes? Now a Christian may say, well at least we are honest to change it back to (nor the son). I would say, well thank you, but what about now changing all the other areas where forced theology has also been inputted. Of course, they won’t be honest to admit those. Also, this shows no matter how honest today’s Christians want to claim they are, scribes in the past have tarnished a reputation. One can only now imagine, if scribes can act dishonest, then we can never be sure every single one of them also acted honestly. Frankly, the Bible can not be 100% trusted, that every single verse, is exactly intact the way it was revealed in the original. And since we only have copied of the copies and not the originals, this only begs the question, how much more differences we would find, if we had all those century originals to compare them with.
And because God made it clear to them that Jesus as the Son, was not God by showing us his ignorance of the hour, they tried removing the verse from the text. Now talk about, how dishonest one can be! Of course, only now they have added it back to the Bible in the NIV, because they got caught red-handed when, ancient manuscripts were studied, and it was found out that the earliest manuscripts did include the “nor the son part” Well thank you for being honest after getting caught red-handed!
This further illustrates, the Biblical scribes were forcing a dogmatic approach to make Jesus look more than a God, in a slow evolutionary process, notice they couldn’t do it right away, because it would be way too obvious so they spent years, trying to Corrupt the text.
Please also visit a related article, where we show more examples of Christians playing forced interpretation to the Biblical text to force a theological agenda: https://mustafasahin33.wordpress.com/2020/04/30/figurtive-literal-games-in-the-bible/
Of course, Christians don’t just tamper with Christology narratives about Jesus but also other theological teachings see this for example:
Bart Ehrman writes that there were “Theological changes even in the Gospel of Luke:
I can now wrap up my discussion of the textual problem of Luke 22:19-20 and the intriguing question of what Jesus said at his Last Supper (according to Luke). I have argued so far that the longer (more familiar) form of the text, found in most surviving manuscripts, is a change made by scribes, not what Luke originally wrote (this is where Jesus indicates that the bread is his body given for others and that the cup is the new covenant in his blood shed for others).
Christians often tell Muslims, that they no longer need to follow the laws of the Old Testament, and Jesus brought a new covenant. And yet this is based on a Textural variant, not in the Original.
We can show even more theological corrections;
Here is another interesting read, Jesus says in the bible whoever gives up things for his sake will receive 100 folds in the next life. That includes a wife. So if your wife is treacherous and an unbeliever and you give her up, then Jesus will reward you 100 times over. Jesus will give you 100 times as many wives in the Christian paradise. But it seems as the Bible was written from Mark to John the term wife was introduced and removed.
The first Earliest gospel has no word “or wife”.
And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, no man hath left the house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s <Mark 10:29,30
Now Mathew and Luke finally introduce “or Wife”.
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home OR WIFE or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
<span;>And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother OR WIFE or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. Mathew 19:29
Interesting John finally corrects both Mathew and Luke, and removes “OR WIFE” and any other specific term Christians will be rewarded with.
Already the reaper draws his wages and gathers a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may rejoice together. John 4:36
So in conclusion, we see Christian scribes forcefully correcting the Bible as the Bible progresses, from Mark to John.
Now for Rebuttal section =
A Christian Apologist, who goes by the name of, Nakdimon Yesman, is one of the Authors at the Answering-Islam Website. Joined me in a text, debate on the subject, so I’ll share the exchange here, where He has tried to attempt to prove that the Gospel of Mark does in fact according to him prove Jesus is God. So let’s begin;
■ Christian Writes:
(Mark. 2:7) “Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?”
Jesus here is God because only God can forgive sin.
Read this short article answers everything, that needs to be answered on Jesus forgiving sin? http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/jesus-christ/if-jesus-isnt-god-how-did-he-forgive-sins
■ Christian writes:
The gospel of Mark starts with this:
The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God to be as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”c —
3“a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’ ”d
4And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.6John wore clothing made of camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. 7And this was his message: “After I come the one more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
We see here that according to Mark John the Baptist us prophesied by the prophets, Isaiah and Malachi. When we turn to those prophecies we see that this forerunner is to clear the way for YHWH and go before YHWH to announce him. Yet Mark points to JESUS as the one John the Baptist is sent before and to whose coming to proclaim. And so does John. In both Mark and John’s Gospel John the Baptist points to JESUS as the One he is sent before. So follow me:
1. Malachi and Isaiah prophesied about someone who would go before the God of Israel and proclaim his appearance
2. Mark, John the Apostle and John the Baptist identify JESUS as the one John the Baptist was sent before and announce
3. According to Mark and John JESUS is the God before whom John the Baptist was sent according to the prophets.
So there is no “evolution” of the identity of Jesus Christ from the Gospel of Mark to the Gospel of John. It’s simply gross ignorance of Biblical Christology that leads people to conclude this so-called evolution.
There you have it. Now I don’t expect you to keep your word and concert today, because your prophet also admitted to breaking his oaths when he saw fit. But I have provided you with the evidence and I do expect you to show your untrustworthy character.
Of course, when the Christian fails on his first point about power to forgive sins, the next attempt for a Christian is to get again misinterpret another passage of the Gospel of Mark and to try and make Jesus look more than He is, so the first assertion is that John the Baptist was proclaiming someone more powerful then him to come, so the Christian Apologist thinks that if someone is greater then John, He must be God and that this God, was Prophesied in Isaiah and therefore it is Jesus.
The verses they use:
And he began to proclaim: “After me will come One more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie.
I baptize you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit
There are several problems here if John the Baptist says, his more powerful, all it could mean is that Jesus unlike John the Baptize is a Prophet, and we know that John is not the Prophet, so that can explain why John believed Jesus was greater then He was and it had nothing to do with Jesus being God.
If Jesus can Baptize with the Holy Spirit, unlike John who can only baptize with water, does it mean Jesus is God? Of course not. First of all, at no point does Jesus baptize anyone or is it said he’s done a baptism “by the spirit” or Holy Spirit. Therefore there seems to be a contradiction or an error, in Marks Gospel.
Secondly, here Jesus shows, that Baptizing people with the holy spirit, Disciples can do that as well.
Let’s read: (Mathew 28:19) Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, “baptizing them” in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
So here we see, though Jesus himself did not perform baptizing using the Holy spirit he rather showed anyone can “Baptize” people with the holy spirit. The Disciples also had the power, to baptize them (other people).
Therefore baptizing using the Holy Spirit was not something that only Jesus could do.
Also if Jesus was connected to Isiah (making way for the Lord) And Jesus because he went in front of Isreal as the forerunner for God. Jesus is therefore God? There are the ambiguous things Christians rely upon. They can’t show anything clearly. Its clear Jesus is Gods representative on earth. Doing the fathers Works. Nothing about Jesus being God himself. Jesus said I do not my own will but do as the father tells me, in other verses, He dies nothing of himself (John 5:30). The Bible also says:
“Men of Israel, listen to me! Jesus the Nazorean was a man whom God sent to you with miracles, wonders, and signs as his credentials. These God worked through him in your midst, as you well know.” [ Acts 2:22 ]
So people going to see Jesus as (Lord) as Gods representative means nothing. Because Jesus wasn’t the same as God the Lord, rather the Lord God was working through Jesus, as ACTS 2:22, clearly shows.
And even if for arguement sake, Jesus was doing more powerful works, like baptizing with Holy Spirit as opposed to just water, all this could mean they’re seeing “Gods works” done through Jesus. Just like Moses was made like a “God” sent to Pharoah in (Exodus 7:1)Therefore you need to be consistent when Moses was sent to Pharoah was Moses God? no of course not. Rather Moses Represented God. Similar account for Jesus. And the Bible teachers even through Paul, Jesus never claimed Equality with God.
■ Christian writes:
You haven’t the slightest clue how to properly exegete the text of scripture.
Exodus 7:1 doesn’t say Moses is God, because the rest of the text demonstrates he isn’t. God simply announces Moses to be supreme over Pharaoh as God’s representative. As you know, the word “Elohim” does not have to mean God or refer to the True God. However, the prophecies in Malachi and Isaiah are very clear and have nothing to do with mere representation: They announce an appearance of YHWH himself and announce that Jesus IS that appearance of YHWH. The law of agency does NOT work with appearances, as I explain on my website, which you claim to have read. And it is hilarious to see Muslims run to Paul to try to undermine the Divinity of Jesus, while when it suits them, they will turn around and accuse Paul of being the source of the supposed fallacious teaching of the Divinity of Jesus, which is why they reject him as a true Apostle in the first place. Did Paul teach the Divinity of Jesus or didn’t he?
But to address your Philippians 2 claim, that text proves what you so desperately try to deny. The text does NOT say that Jesus didn’t claim equality with God, it says Jesus didn’t grasp onto his equality with God: the whole point of that portion is that Jesus, because of his equality with God, since the text says he existed as God, he didn’t insist on his divine privileges but humbled himself and took upon himself the form of a slave. And with that example, Paul exhorts us to take on the same mentality of humility, not to grasp onto and insist on our privileges, but to humble ourselves to favour others.
You Muslims are hilarious! The very reason you reject the gospels and claim their corruption, ALL OF THEM, is that they teach Jesus’ Divinity. But when it’s convenient you want to pretend the Gospels don’t teach the Divinity of Jesus and claim a supposed “evolution” that simply isn’t there. Too bad, Mustafa, no dice. As you are not dealing with a rookie. You will have to do much better than this.
In (Exodus 7:1) How is Moses supreme over Pharoah. By representing himself to be like God. That’s the point. It is interesting how he says Elohim doesn’t have to mean it’s God. But look at the inconsistency. If it were Jesus in Exodus 7:1 instead of Moses. I bet you would have interpreted it to be the meaning no other than God. And this is the Christian games, like the term Theos. When Theos in John 10:35 is used for Jews Theos (God) this doesn’t mean there is God. Rather Godly people. But when the same term Theos is given to Jesus in Hebrews 1:7-8 it suddenly becomes literal God. See the double standards?
It gets more interesting. Christians tell us Human beings are created in Gods image. Therefore the Jews in John 10:35 appeared as God are called Gods (Theos) see Nakdimon will interpret this as Metaphorical. But when Jesus appears as Gods image and is Called God. It suddenly becomes literal and not Metaphorical.
See more Double standards. The Bible teaches our bodies are Gods temple (1 Corinthians 6:19) Therefore it was Jesus body the temple that appeared as God in Marks Gospel. Not Jesus himself. Otherwise, we are All appearing literally as God as well as the walking talking temple of God. Will Nakdimon claim we Human beings are also God for appearing as the temple of God. I don’t think so. So it is then clear for Christians to make things up as they go through forced inconsistent interpretations.
Then Nakdimon says, we know from the context that Moses is not the True God”.
However, we can do the same if we look at the context of Jesus you claimed Jesus was equal to father? Yet the Bible tells us, Jesus said the Father was Greater than him. So your interpretation again for Phillipians does not work. Therefore the context of looking at other verses can disprove Jesus being God. Nakdimon then speaks about How Jesus human nature wanted to be humbled therefore showed a lower class at times but look how this again is inconsistent for example:
Our Christian friends claim Jesus is half-human therefore his human nature showed weakness. However, the Christians have no escape. Because the very same Christians use the Human nature of Jesus to prove his also God because Jesus human nature was too perfect to commit sins. That’s why a Christian will say Jesus is God because only God can not sin.
As you know our human nature is tested in committing Sins. Jesus human nature was too perfect to sin.
Therefore Christians use the Human nature of Jesus to prove diety when it suits them. But when Muslims show human nature proves him not God in other aspects the Christians then try to avoid it by saying oh..but that’s human nature. Yet at the same time, they try and prove even Human nature to be God through Him being sinless. All of the Gospels do not teach the divinity of Jesus at best they are mere misinterpretations. See for example Appearing as a God in John 10:35 for Jews does not mean they the Jews are God. Moses appearing like a God to Pharoah doesn’t mean his God. We Human beings appearing as the temple of God doesn’t mean we are God so why should it mean it is God when Jesus appeared as one? Nakdemon has no answer to this inconsistency.
He then asserts that Muslims, believe ALL of the Gospels are corrupted because they teach Jesus to be divine. But then Muslims claim there was an Evolution of Divinity within the same book.
You distorted the Muslim position. For one, we Muslims do not claim EVERYTHING is Corrupted. Rather there are passages within the Text that can not be trusted. Even Christian Apologist David Wood and Dr James white Believe as Muslims do for example the last 12 verses of Marks Gospel both James white & David Wood admit it Un-Authentic. I believe that at best most of the Things that point towards Jesus divinity are either 1) a Misinterpretation or 2) Interpolation ( I john 5:7) or a Narrative being Injected not part of the original message.
As Christians claim closer to Source more Authentic. Further away least Authentic. So by that notion, it’s astonishing to see Most of the Proof Christians use for the Divinity of Jesus comes in later Gospels. Hence Least Authentic by their Standards.
■ Christian writes:
It is of no consequence how many times Matthew, Mark, Luke and John testify of Jesus’ divinity. What is important is that they ALL testify of his divinity. And if they do (as they do!) then there can be no case of evolution. All you are doing is simply presupposing that every reference to any topic should have an equal amount of representation in every source. That is simply fallacious! You don’t treat the Quran that way. Even in the Quran, where you have only one author, you have the same event in different chapters being described differently with different details. Yet you don’t insist that they are told the same way, do you? Nope! but then again, that’s Islamic consistency for ya
If only the Book of Mark had proof on divinity but sadly you failed to provide sufficient evidence in your attempts which were debunked. It is equally interesting you state there are no consequences how many times each book mentions a proposed divinity for Jesus we say “oh yes it does”.
Even New Testament Bart Ehrman Acknowledges it does for why he has even written and entitled a book called” How Jesus became a God”.
Notice The New Testament Doctor even admits The Earliest sources of the New Testament do not in any way present Jesus as Deity rather it’s an Evolution that crept into later versions of the New Testament.
So you can deny as much as you like about it having no consequences. If it had no consequence you wouldn’t be trying to break your back trying to find evidence or say convincing evidence from earlier Gospels for the divinity of Jesus. Not only is there an Evolution of Divinity there is also evidence of Improvements and Exaggerations about Jesus divinity and status as posted in the above references of our article, you can even read more of them here:
As for the Quran having different chapters with the same author. Notice it is the SAME Author. Not different Authors as it is for the Gospel writers. Therefore we are getting a contradiction of Improvements made in the story. Whereas the Quran has one Author which makes sense if he gives more clarification this bears no issue since the storyline comes from one single author. Whereas the new Testament comes from many independent Authors, therefore if their stories don’t add up when someone is lying or attributing fabrications. If ALL four Authors are not narrating the same story or same theology then that begs the question of the story is fraudulent. Even in today’s Police investigation systems, this is how they judge witness testimony to see if the story adds up. If one has a variant story or a story that does not equally clarify the identity then it gets dismissed. That’s how we look at the Gospels from the same investigative method to determine “truth”.
So there you have it, folks, the Christians fail to provide evidence of Jesus deityship in the Earliest of the four gospels, which again is a testification to the truth of my article showing you clearly how, the deityship of Christ was a later invention, and like I said earlier in my article, if Christians believed Marks Gospel present’s a good case for Jesus divinity, then Christians would use them as there strong recommendations, yet I showed you above earlier in the article, Christian Apologists like Matt Slick though, He also believes there are several verses in (Marks) Gospel of Jesus divinity of Jesus being God, yet in this part of the article:
Here we can see Matt Slick fails to include Marks Gospel, He doesn’t even reference them from Marks Gospel but rather uses verses out from (Mathew) or (John) gospels, which in itself proves my point, that Christians themselves deep down understand that appealing to (Marks Gospel) don’t have very strong verses to prove the deityship of Christ. So instead they “market” other verses people that Jesus is God. That in itself proves my point, that there are no special verses or verses that can convince anyone for sure that Jesus is God.
Now to other “Rebuttals:
■ There are Christians who then attempt to use even other verses of Marks Gospel to force the interpretation that Jesus is God, see for example Mark 2:28 “Consequently, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
They claim, that because Marks Gospel says, Jesus is Lord of Sabbath, does this mean His God? See answers; https://answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/lord_of_sabbath.htm
■ Christians use “Jesus performing Miracles” for the Proof He is God in Marks Gospel.
Jesus Walks on the Water, in Marks Gospel, and Jesus heals the Blind, therefore His God. (Mark 6:45-52) also, Jesus Heals the Blind (Mark 8:22-10:52)
This is not a measure to prove that Jesus is God. Because Jesus said in the Bible, I can of myself do nothing. (John 5:30)
Jesus Here is teaching that, whatever He does, is from the Power of God, who’s given him those powers to perform those miracles.
The Bible also tells us, many other human figures were able to perform “miracles”
See for example:
Exodus 7:10-12 KJV – 10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. 11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods.
Here we see God working through Prophets to perform miracles. Therefore Jesus performing Miracles Is nothing unique or Special. Even in our modern world, Christians tell us they have faith healers, and they claim to perform miracles.
We even read that, Jesus own Disciples could do miracles;
“And he called his twelve disciples together and began sending them out two by two, giving them authority to cast out evil spirits. He told them to take nothing for their journey except a walking stick—no food, no traveller’s bag, no money. He allowed them to wear sandals but not to take a change of clothes. Wherever you go,” he said, ‘stay in the same house until you leave town. But if any place refuses to welcome you or listen to you, shake its dust from your feet as you leave to show that you have abandoned those people to their fate.’ So the disciples went out, telling everyone they met to repent of their sins and turn to God. And they cast out many demons and healed many sick people, anointing them with olive oil.” Mark 6:7-13
Here Christ grants his disciples the authority to perform miraculous healings and exorcisms. So will Christians now accept that the Disciples are also God? Now a Christian may say, well Jesus gave the authority to Disciples to do those things. However that then begs the question, because all though Jesus has given authority to Disciples, Jesus also has taken authority himself from the father: (Mathew 28:18)
So why is Jesus any different? Both the Disciples and Jesus took authority from something bigger than themselves. Disciples took authority from Jesus, and Jesus takes authority from the father. Therefore then Jesus equally is not God for the same reason the Disciples are not God, for the standard of being “given authority to do those miracles”
Furthermore, in this verse below from the Bible, we see that “Even” false Prophets can perform great miracles:
“For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect”. (Mathew 24:24)
So this proves to have the ability to perform miracles, which don’t mean you are a divine God. Even false Prophets can perform them.
■ Christians then use these passages from Mark to again from that there was a Divinity of Jesus in the earliest Gospel:
In his trial before the Sanhedrin Jesus is once again charged with blasphemy because of his response to the high priest’s question: “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” (Mark 14:61) Jesus responded, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven” (Mark 14:62). Then the high priest tore his clothes, charged Jesus with blasphemy, and condemned him to death (Mark 14:64). Why did the high priest respond that way? Because Jesus quoted from Psalm 110:1 and Daniel 7:13–14 and applied the words to himself. In Daniel 7 the divine Son of Man comes before the Ancient of Days, and all peoples and nations serve20 him. The Pharisees recognize Jesus’ divine claim here and charge him with blasphemy, intending to put him to death.
The claim here is that Jesus was charged with Blasphemy because all, He says in those verses, is the “Son” of the blessed” And He said, the son of man sits at the right hand. Notice Jesus if God, He should have said, I am the Son God. And I sit on the main throne rather He said; His son of God and Son of Man. And his sitting beside the father and does not sit as the father, thus a clear distinction. And being Son of God does not mean you are God himself, because the Bible tells us, there are many Sons of God.
See my article response to Matt Slick; Servant of God or Son of God?https://m.facebook.com/groups/295144897630904?view=permalink&id=870886546723400
As for the claim, that they put him to death because of Blasphemy? Because He was claiming divinity, this is just a false interpretation, as though people only killed people for claiming they are God, or the son of God, in the Bible Jesus tells us, that people used to get killed for even claiming they are “Prophets” read; Mathew 23:30-33
30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
So notice, the same Pharisees that wanted Jesus killed, Jesus shows us in the above verse they also killed “Prophets”, thus even claiming your a prophet can get you killed, and Jesus did was known as the Prophet, see;
John 6:14 KJV – 14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that (prophet) that should come into the world.
So one could imagine there killing him because, He was known also as a prophet, and we know what happened when people claim they are prophets, they get killed for being depicted as false Prophets, who are also known as sons of God.
Also consider, that we shouldn’t be accepting the Testimony of Jesus “enemies” as they can make a false charge against anyone. They were always an enemy to Christ, so even if they claimed Jesus was going around claiming He was God, doesn’t make it true. Jesus called the Pharisees Hypocrites, Sneaks and Vipers.
The Bible teaches that Sonship is not even unique for Jesus. Anyone who overcomes the trials of this life shall be Gods Sons.
“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son”. (Revelation 21:7)where the bible teaches anyone can become God’s son.
■ Christians also use this verse to prove Divinity:
“If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in HIS Father’s glory with the holy angels.” Mark 8:38
Christians try to make Jesus out to be the same as the father, as they claim they don’t claim there are three Gods but one God. And this God is “One” but in three persons. But then strange enough they try and use Mark 8:38, to claim that Jesus will come in “His father’s Glory”.
Well, now that doesn’t show “three persons” now does it? Rather than Jesus taking up the 1st person in the Godhead, now that seems to be a contradiction.
Secondly, Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'” (John 20:17)
If Jesus did come in the father’s glory, which means the father was on earth the same time Jesus was on earth, why is Jesus saying in (John 20:17) I am going up to my father? Thus proving that the father never came to the earth.
Jesus further stresses his Father is not on earth but in heaven; None of those who call me `Lord’ will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.” [ Matthew 7:21 ]
If the father did come in his glory to the earth, Jesus would have said; the one who does the will of my father who’s on earth and in heaven, yet (Mathew 7:21) suggests the father is really in heaven and not really on the earth. And if Christians insist, He was really on earth, are they telling us that God the Son, and the Father died on the cross?
So God died on the Cross? A God that has no beginning nor end, yet tasted temporary death? Just as humans taste temporary death?
And in the same verse, Jesus says ” my god” which means; He has a God. Furthermore, Jesus says;
Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me (John 14:1).
Jesus makes a distinction between Him and God. Believe in God. Then He says believe also in Me. So Jesus coming in his Fathers glory does not mean, Jesus is the same God as the father, rather Jesus comes figuratively as the Fathers glory since he will be representing much of his Fathers works on earth.;
For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human (1 Timothy 2:5)
So Jesus is just delivering God’s Glory to humankind as the mediator.
■ There is a Christian by the name of Tim Barnett his website found here: https://www.str.org/w/the-deity-of-christ-in-the-gospel-of-mark
That tries to provide “Evidence from Marks Gospel for the divinity of Jesus, I read through them, and quite frankly most of them were extremely weak, and I’ve answered most of them, but to be fair I will address just a few of them, that maybe have not been answered before, so here we go;
Tim Barnett then uses the next verse: The unclean spirits recognize Jesus as the Holy One of God, who has the power to destroy them.“And immediately there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, ’What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God’”( Mark (1:23-24).
If you notice the ending of the passage which gives it away: ” I know who you are—the Holy One of God’”(1:23-24).
If Jesus was the God, the passage would have read: ” I know who you are—the Holy One God’”(1:23-24). And not the Holy One (of) God’”(1:23-24). As the verse reads.
This clearly shows, Jesus is (of) God, meaning He comes from God (of) God, and not God himself. In addition, the term “Holy” is also a title given to angels. (Psalms 89: 7-34)
■ Christians then use these verses from Marks Gospel to Prove Jesus is God.
( Mark 5:6-7) Where Jesus has’ authority and power.
( Mark 7:18-19) Jesus has the authority to change God’s law.
The Christian needs to be consistent because the Bible teachers, all though Jesus has authority to change the law, or has an authoritative potion. This does not mean His God. Read these verses;
Jesus said: My doctrine is not my own; it comes from him who sent me.” [ John 7:16 ]
So here we can changes Jesus makes, it doesn’t come from Jesus own doctrine, but rather this instruction comes from God himself who sent Jesus, and Jesus is merely transmitting those new laws.
As for Jesus having “Authority”, the question is did He give himself that authority? The answer is No. Let’s read;
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (Mathew 28:18)
If Jesus was God, would God need to give himself Authority? The answer is no. God always has Authority, He doesn’t need to take authority from someone else, the fact that he said he was given authority means at one time Jesus didn’t have authority. Are Christians telling us, Jesus was not a God at some stage of his life?
This proves that no matter what kind of authority, Jesus was given, there was always a greater authority than him.
Tim Barnett then brings this verse: Jesus’ words are put at the same level as God’s words.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away” ( Mark 13:31)
It is extraordinary how far Christians will go to exaggerate a sentence about Jesus.
Jesus said: My doctrine is not my own; it comes from him who sent me.” [ John 7:16 ] So the words, Jesus speaks are not his words, they are from the one who sent him. “Jesus also said; My Father(God) is greater than I” (John 14:28). Thus it’s the father’s words that will not pass away, not Jesus own words. Notice Mark 13:31, does not say ” my “own” words. Then that would mean Jesus own words. The fact that he said “my words” could mean, Jesus is displaying the father’s words.
■ Tim Barnett then brings up; Jesus places Himself above men and angels in His relationship to the Father.
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” ( Mark 13:32)
I am astonished that a Christian can use, Mark 13:32 to prove that Jesus is God. Tim Barnett says, Jesus places himself above Men and angels.
The Question is does He hold himself above God the Father? Not at all. Prophets are known to be above Angels or Men, so that doesn’t prove a thing.
The Bible even suggests Jesus was made “lower” than angels.
But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than angels for a little while.
Now just imagine how Blasphemous that would sound if, Jesus was God, and Hebrews read:
But we do see God, who was made lower than angels for a little while.
Also, the verse itself proves Jesus as the son, is not God, the verse clearly says, the “son” who is the second person in the Godhead (Trinity), has no idea when the “hour” is. So it’s incredibly bizarre that this Christian even tried to attempt to use this verse to prove that Jesus was God.
If Jesus was God in this verse:
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” ( Mark 13:32)
Then this is how the Verse should have looked like:
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, but only the Son and Father” ( Mark 13:32)
However, the text says, nor the son…
In conclusion of my rebuttal section:
I need to stress this point again, no matter how many verses Christians wish to bring up in the Gospel of Mark to prove Jesus is God, at best most of the things they bring up as you can see, are ambiguous, and not very explicit like we find in the Gospel of Mathew or gospel of John where Jesus is clearly and explicitly identified as God:
19 – Jesus called (God) explicitly.
Mark: No Mention
Luke: No Mention
Mathew: 1:23 Yes mentioned
John: 20:28 Yes Mentioned.
That in itself confirms the point, that Jesus is called explicitly God does not come until later into the gospels.
I challenge all those “Christian Apologists” who think there is a strong case for Christology in the “Gospel of Mark”, I CHALLENGE them, that whenever they want to prove that Jesus is God to any Muslim, I challenge them, to never use the Gospel of Luke, Mathew or John. Never mention them in any of your Apologetic material, never use them in your debates, whenever you want to prove that Jesus is God, only use the Gospel of Mark, since you sincerely believe that Marks Gospel is sufficient enough evidence to prove that Jesus is God. And I bet not a single Christian Apologist, will be brave enough to only use the Gospel of Mark. Because deep down, they know that without using the other gospels their case will never be as strong, and that is why you will never see a Christian using Marks Gospel alone to prove the divinity of Christ, it’s rather always in conjunction with using either the Gospel of Mathew or John or Paul’s letters. So let’s see this brave Christian activist who is willing to use “only the Gospel of Mark” for the rest of his life, calling people to the proof that Jesus is God. I would love to see, how many people his convinced and converted that Jesus is truly God.
Pr. Bart Ehrman has a new article where He admits there was a “low” Christology in early Gospels while “High” Christology in later Gospel.
In saying that, He also suggested even in lower Christology he didn’t make himself equal with God. Or the Same God. And that Jesus being divine meant, being more than ordinary human-like divine as in he could perform miracles..etc.